Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Children of the Night (Wayne Shorter song)

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The result was redirect‎ to Art Blakey discography. If this is not the correct Redirect target article, feel free to discuss a change on the Redirect's talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Children of the Night (Wayne Shorter song)

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No refs on the page for many years, notability tag since 2018. Nothing to suggest this meets notability standards for music JMWt (talk) 09:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. JMWt (talk) 09:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
• Redirect to the musician... There is some limited coverage of the song [1] is an NPR-interview/review long talk thing like they do... Oaktree b (talk) 13:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
• Redirect to Art Blakey discography. Actually the title of this article is wrong because the disambiguation for a song title should be to the performer, not the songwriter. See Children of the Night (Richard Marx song), which has the same title. (For kicks, see also the ridiculous list of songs at Hold On). In any case, the recording was by Art Blakey, and if someone searches for the song title with the reference to Shorter, they can be redirected there. Another possibility is to redirect to the disambig page at Children of the Night, and then remove the resultant internal link. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:06, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep the following statement counts as sigcov, so the GNG is halfway meet (I see opportunity in other sources) The first song on the album is “Children of the Night,” a song that Shorter had initially written for Art Blakey and the Jazz Messenger’s album Mosiac in 1961. Revisiting and reinvisioning music is not something new to Shorter, as already discussed with the rapid transformation of “Sanctuary” within two years of its composition. Shorter’s original rendition of “Children of the Night” was obviously written for a much smaller ensemble and without the technological advances from the following three decades. The original abounds with stereotypical Shorter compositional elements: a wealth of chromatic movements, several of which lead into ii-V-I progressions, and sequential melodic motives that seemingly transition without predetermined direction. The asymmetrical form uses a twenty measure opening section with two separate ideas and interrupts it with a bridge that is only eight measures and has many similar elements to the second theme of the larger division. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mach61 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

• Redirect exhaustive search has pulled up little. Mach61 (talk) 12:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

That's a thesis for a Masters degree. We do not usually consider those Reliable Sources for the purposes of notability (I guess because there are large numbers of students who write things on a wide number of topics that would otherwise not be notable). JMWt (talk) 05:37, 18 October 2023 (UTC) to add: the relevant section in the RS guideline is WP:SCHOLARSHIP which says "Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence." JMWt (talk) 08:00, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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